Posts by Nathan Natas

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Bloodless surgery is the standard today because of medical progress. Or NOT?

by Nathan Natas in

it appears diogenesister feels a need for a proper ass-kicking.. ok, if you insist.

i'm a dub proctologist.... attempting to hijack greatteacher's thread "jw parents in severe car accident,".

diogenesister seized my observation that "bloodless surgery is the standard today, not because of the wtb&ts but because of medical progress" with he carefully-crafted argument "bull crap.".

Nathan Natas

It appears Diogenesister feels a need for a proper ass-kicking.

OK, if you insist. I'm here to help. I'm a Dub proctologist...

Attempting to hijack GreatTeacher's thread "JW parents in severe car accident,"

Diogenesister seized my observation that "Bloodless surgery is the standard today, not because of the WTB&TS but because of medical progress" with he carefully-crafted argument "Bull crap."

So... is it your position Diogenesphincter, that JWs are responsible for advancements in Medicine?

- "Nathanutass", soon to pwn yours

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How about a CAPCHA test for ANY new post?

by Nathan Natas in

maybe it would be possible to turn the capcha test off for a user after they have "survived" ten posts without being thrown into gehenna?.

there must be some days it seems like a thankless pain-in-the-ass, but you are rendering a truly life-saving service.. love ya, dude, (and dude-harad and all the little dudettes) in an appropriate and totally manly way!.

- your idiot fellow traveller..

Nathan Natas

Maybe it would be possible to turn the CAPCHA test off for a user after they have "survived" ten posts without being thrown into Gehenna?

Thanks for all you do for us! There must be some days it seems like a thankless pain-in-the-ass, but you ARE rendering a truly life-saving service.

Love ya, Dude, (and Dude-harad and all the little Dudettes) in an appropriate and totally manly way!

- Your idiot fellow traveller.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

Nathan Natas

When I was in, I knew that every time I flushed the crapper, it was the finger of Jah that was moving upon the waters.

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Proof of Aliens

by Coded Logic in

so today i just found out that aliens are real.

two people came by my house and shared the good news.

the conversation went something like this:.

Nathan Natas

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Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

hi people,.

i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

Nathan Natas

1) raised, beginning at age 7

2) 1964 age 14

3) 1973 age 23

Time in: 16 years

Spent years wandering in the wilderness, expecting to die anytime I heard a thunderstorm (metaphorically speaking)

joined JWN 15 years ago, found some meaning in service to other XJWs. I am personally responsible for the desolation of The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. I have eaten lizard-on-a-stick.

all dates and times are approximate and not provable with Bible-based chronology.

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Awesome New Books on JW's, MUST READ!

by johnny depp in

hey, i just thought i let you guys know about these two books i read:jehovah's witnesses, what lies behind the truththe watchtower society, organizational misbehaviorboth books by gabriel h ibarra.

awesome!

Nathan Natas

This is amusing. It demonstrates two of my most closely-held beliefs, namely:

1. People who are or who were Jehovah's Witnesses are of the "Birdie" Class: Cheep, cheep, cheap!

2. People who have not worked with an on-demand publisher have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how that business works; they think ALL of the money they pay is going into the author's pocket.

HA!

NOTHING could be further from the truth!

I'm not saying that Gabriel Ibarra's books are worth what he's asking; _I_ certainly won't be buying either one.

Maybe Ibarra is getting $10 for each copy of his book that is sold, perhaps less.

I know this because I have published books on LULU. I get $1 for each copy of most of my titles, and a couple of bucks for a couple of them. I also got A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME back in print and did so in a way that provides a small income stream for the original author. I also have a couple of things on LULU that are available for FREE. I have distributed dozens and dozens of my LULU titles totally at my own expense, just as I distributed hundreds of CD-ROMS worldwide at my expense.

It has paid off handsomely: about three times a year I can buy a large pizza with my royalties.

I was inspired by Don Cameron, author of CAPTIVES OF A CONCEPT. Ask Don how "rich" his books have made him.

Or ask Terry Walstrom if the advice I gave him about LULU was accurate and correct. Ask Terry about his experience.

One thing that Don and Terry and I have in common, I think, is that none of us looked at LULU as our Paradise Retirement Program.

I think maybe guys like Ibarra make that mistake, only to find that the OVERHEAD of on-demand publishing pushes their book into the "NO WAY!" zone. IF these guys want to, they can reduce their per-book royalty, but then they feel that publishing is NOT WORTH THEIR TIME, and they are CORRECT.

Its not worth their time because they didn't start out with a concern for their audience. They should get involved with AMWAY instead.

I have no use for books filled with poorly written, completely un-edited XJW angst, opinions, alternate theologies or anecdotal experience.

Yes, I am an XJW BAHSTAD!

Get to know me!

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converting to catholic

by SloppyMcFloppy in

hello i was wondering if any ex jw have converted to catholic?

i have been tossing the idea around a bit and wondering if it was woth it from personal experience?

thoughts?

Nathan Natas

One member of this discussion group from years ago returned to the Catholic Church; his name here was AMAZING! and he was. He hasn't posted here for some time. He had health problems.

Another noteworthy XJW - and we are ALL noteworthy, aren't we? - was Duane Magnani, whose story you can read here:

http://ad1914.com/personal-experience-duane-magnani/

Duane seems to be associated with this site:

http://jehovahswitnessesexperts.com/

I hope this is helpful.

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Is this the earliest WT reference to 1975?

by Splash in

i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.

18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.

... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.

Nathan Natas

Blondie ROCKS! ...and always has!

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Is this the earliest WT reference to 1975?

by Splash in

i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.

18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.

... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.

Nathan Natas

It is interesting to me how often Watchtower "bible-based chronology" has had 100-year "patches" applied to it, as shown by this:

"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872; and hence that, since A.D. 1872 are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millennium." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 33, 1889)

Watchtower Time Patches come in sizes of 40 years, 50 years, and 100 years, to name a few. Collect 'em all!

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Is this the earliest WT reference to 1975?

by Splash in

i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.

18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.

... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.

Nathan Natas

GREAT CATCH! You are to be LAUDED!

I used to try to get some conversation going over the incontrovertible FACT that one of the books from the 1940s provided a "can you do the math" discussion which, if followed led directly to 1972 as the answer. No one seemed very interested in this topic.

Right now I can't recall the name of the book or the page this arithmetic exercise was on, but it should be somewhere in the archives here.

I agree that this is an important and noteworthy Watchtower quote.

A-HA! It was the 1943 book "The Truth Shall Set You Free" that had that challenging arithmetic exercise on